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		<title>By: Maude Matty</title>
		<link>http://www.brooklynfeed.com/2010/05/prosthelytzing-and-vilifying/comment-page-1/#comment-861</link>
		<dc:creator>Maude Matty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: stefaneener</title>
		<link>http://www.brooklynfeed.com/2010/05/prosthelytzing-and-vilifying/comment-page-1/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>stefaneener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 06:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew! that sounds like quite a night, and I wish the audience could have heard you all. Lisa sent me, and I only started raising chickens after deciding not to be a vegetarian any more.

Your post is beautifully written, and I think you&#039;re right about moderation making very large changes over time. Temple Grandin&#039;s latest book seems to make that point forcefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew! that sounds like quite a night, and I wish the audience could have heard you all. Lisa sent me, and I only started raising chickens after deciding not to be a vegetarian any more.</p>
<p>Your post is beautifully written, and I think you&#8217;re right about moderation making very large changes over time. Temple Grandin&#8217;s latest book seems to make that point forcefully.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.brooklynfeed.com/2010/05/prosthelytzing-and-vilifying/comment-page-1/#comment-535</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 22:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt,
Thanks for adding your voice. I think having more information is the best way for people to make decisions. The way the information is delivered can make the difference between being heard and being shut out. I agree that we are both wanting the factory farms shut down, which should/could make us allies. 

I will be in touch to grab a cup of coffee.
Martha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt,<br />
Thanks for adding your voice. I think having more information is the best way for people to make decisions. The way the information is delivered can make the difference between being heard and being shut out. I agree that we are both wanting the factory farms shut down, which should/could make us allies. </p>
<p>I will be in touch to grab a cup of coffee.<br />
Martha</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.brooklynfeed.com/2010/05/prosthelytzing-and-vilifying/comment-page-1/#comment-534</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 22:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I want to thank you guys for not getting nasty. We have people with different opinions and I think it is great that we can voice them in a civil manner. Just to set the record straight, I only have 3 hens, so I don&#039;t sell my eggs. I think Matt might have mistaken me and Bee, who has an egg CSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I want to thank you guys for not getting nasty. We have people with different opinions and I think it is great that we can voice them in a civil manner. Just to set the record straight, I only have 3 hens, so I don&#8217;t sell my eggs. I think Matt might have mistaken me and Bee, who has an egg CSA.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.brooklynfeed.com/2010/05/prosthelytzing-and-vilifying/comment-page-1/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 21:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When people purchase eggs from backyard chicken farmers who show pictures of healthy, happy hens with plenty of space (admittedly a much better situation for the hens than a battery cage), they have a right to know what happens to the male chicks at the hatchery. For every egg-laying hen, a male chick is either ground up alive in a giant macerator or thrown into a dumpster and allowed to suffocate (being sent to a slaughterhouse is not a humane alternative to either of these practices and is not standard practice). The more the demand for egg-laying hens, the more male chicks will meet this fate. &quot;

The best way to prevent this: buy unsexed chicks and eat the roosters. Or breed your own chickens. There are several NYC backyard chicken keepers that do this. Rooster meat can be a little tough sometimes, but I find it delicious. 

Unlike Matt, I don&#039;t think you would lose your market. Animal rights is an extreme position. Most of your customers would be happy to buy rooster meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When people purchase eggs from backyard chicken farmers who show pictures of healthy, happy hens with plenty of space (admittedly a much better situation for the hens than a battery cage), they have a right to know what happens to the male chicks at the hatchery. For every egg-laying hen, a male chick is either ground up alive in a giant macerator or thrown into a dumpster and allowed to suffocate (being sent to a slaughterhouse is not a humane alternative to either of these practices and is not standard practice). The more the demand for egg-laying hens, the more male chicks will meet this fate. &#8221;</p>
<p>The best way to prevent this: buy unsexed chicks and eat the roosters. Or breed your own chickens. There are several NYC backyard chicken keepers that do this. Rooster meat can be a little tough sometimes, but I find it delicious. </p>
<p>Unlike Matt, I don&#8217;t think you would lose your market. Animal rights is an extreme position. Most of your customers would be happy to buy rooster meat.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 14:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Martha,

I am sorry you felt attacked during the Q&amp;A session of the Fowl Play screening. I believe that you are a kind person. As I said several times during the discussion, my goal, the goal of Mercy For Animals, and the point of the film, is to give people honest and accurate information so they can make informed choices. 

I believe that most people are compassionate and do not want to support needless cruelty to animals. Horrified by the shocking cruelties involved in industrial egg production, compassionate consumers naturally turn to alternative egg producers who market their products as free-range, cage-free, humane etc. From my experience, these marketing claims are inaccurate (and in many cases dishonest), and I believe the public has a right to know that. 

When people purchase eggs from backyard chicken farmers who show pictures of healthy, happy hens with plenty of space (admittedly a much better situation for the hens than a battery cage), they have a right to know what happens to the male chicks at the hatchery. For every egg-laying hen, a male chick is either ground up alive in a giant macerator or thrown into a dumpster and allowed to suffocate (being sent to a slaughterhouse is not a humane alternative to either of these practices and is not standard practice). The more the demand for egg-laying hens, the more male chicks will meet this fate. 

I believe people also have a right to know that many backyard hens are shipped through the mail from a hatchery to people&#039;s homes or to Ag stores as if they are mere postcards. Sadly, many of the hens die from dehydration and/or rough handling during shipping. Visit any farm animal sanctuary and you will meet some of the survivors of this cruel process.

While I agree that your hens have a much better life than hens on factory farms, and I can understand why people would be interested in giving you their business over an industrial egg producer, I believe that consumers have a right to know ALL of the facts – including the inconvenient truths we discussed at the screening of Fowl Play. 

And while discussing these facts understandably made you feel uncomfortable, my concern remains with the chickens who suffer and die because these facts are kept hidden from the public. While you were given a microphone and an audience to voice your views, the chickens have no voice. My goal is to give the chickens a voice and I strive to do so with the utmost honesty and integrity – even if that means ruffling the feathers of a few chicken farmers in the process. 

I suspect that you are a very compassionate person and that your attempts to offer a humane alternative to industrial egg production are pure and honest. I also believe that your customers and many of your colleagues are also making an honest attempt to remove their support from factory farms. I believe we are very much on the same side in the fight against cruelty to animals and I would value the opportunity to learn more about your views and goals. Again, I believe that knowledge is the key to building a better world. 

Please feel free to contact me at MattR@MercyForAnimals.org. I would be happy to buy you lunch or coffee or tea so that we might be able to reach a more congenial and civil understanding. 

Warm regards, 

Matt Rice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Martha,</p>
<p>I am sorry you felt attacked during the Q&amp;A session of the Fowl Play screening. I believe that you are a kind person. As I said several times during the discussion, my goal, the goal of Mercy For Animals, and the point of the film, is to give people honest and accurate information so they can make informed choices. </p>
<p>I believe that most people are compassionate and do not want to support needless cruelty to animals. Horrified by the shocking cruelties involved in industrial egg production, compassionate consumers naturally turn to alternative egg producers who market their products as free-range, cage-free, humane etc. From my experience, these marketing claims are inaccurate (and in many cases dishonest), and I believe the public has a right to know that. </p>
<p>When people purchase eggs from backyard chicken farmers who show pictures of healthy, happy hens with plenty of space (admittedly a much better situation for the hens than a battery cage), they have a right to know what happens to the male chicks at the hatchery. For every egg-laying hen, a male chick is either ground up alive in a giant macerator or thrown into a dumpster and allowed to suffocate (being sent to a slaughterhouse is not a humane alternative to either of these practices and is not standard practice). The more the demand for egg-laying hens, the more male chicks will meet this fate. </p>
<p>I believe people also have a right to know that many backyard hens are shipped through the mail from a hatchery to people&#8217;s homes or to Ag stores as if they are mere postcards. Sadly, many of the hens die from dehydration and/or rough handling during shipping. Visit any farm animal sanctuary and you will meet some of the survivors of this cruel process.</p>
<p>While I agree that your hens have a much better life than hens on factory farms, and I can understand why people would be interested in giving you their business over an industrial egg producer, I believe that consumers have a right to know ALL of the facts – including the inconvenient truths we discussed at the screening of Fowl Play. </p>
<p>And while discussing these facts understandably made you feel uncomfortable, my concern remains with the chickens who suffer and die because these facts are kept hidden from the public. While you were given a microphone and an audience to voice your views, the chickens have no voice. My goal is to give the chickens a voice and I strive to do so with the utmost honesty and integrity – even if that means ruffling the feathers of a few chicken farmers in the process. </p>
<p>I suspect that you are a very compassionate person and that your attempts to offer a humane alternative to industrial egg production are pure and honest. I also believe that your customers and many of your colleagues are also making an honest attempt to remove their support from factory farms. I believe we are very much on the same side in the fight against cruelty to animals and I would value the opportunity to learn more about your views and goals. Again, I believe that knowledge is the key to building a better world. </p>
<p>Please feel free to contact me at <a href="mailto:MattR@MercyForAnimals.org">MattR@MercyForAnimals.org</a>. I would be happy to buy you lunch or coffee or tea so that we might be able to reach a more congenial and civil understanding. </p>
<p>Warm regards, </p>
<p>Matt Rice</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 03:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad that the vegan activists weren&#039;t more tolerant and respectful.  It sounds like the moderator disappeared?  I hope it doesn&#039;t dissuade you from doing more speaking engagements because people (like me!) are so eager to learn more about backyard chicken keeping.  Seems silly to attack a you when there are such bigger fish to fry ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad that the vegan activists weren&#8217;t more tolerant and respectful.  It sounds like the moderator disappeared?  I hope it doesn&#8217;t dissuade you from doing more speaking engagements because people (like me!) are so eager to learn more about backyard chicken keeping.  Seems silly to attack a you when there are such bigger fish to fry &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 18:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really feel for you in this situation. I am sorry you experienced that, and I can only imagine the worst part was feeling so blindsided when you expected a warm reception of like-minded folks. 

I spent years as a vegan, for a multitude of reasons and I am still a strict vegetarian, but I decided ultimately that it was more healthy and more ethical to eat proteins from well-cared-for animals (eggs, milk, cheese) than to participate exclusively in the mass production &amp; carbon footprint of highly-processed vegan food. I know that vegans likely didn&#039;t read it, but Barbara Kingsolver makes the point in &lt;i&gt;Animal, Vegetable, Miracle&lt;/i&gt; that even tofu costs animal lives (insects murdered by machine harvest, for example). 

Anyway, I am sorry you had an upsetting experience. I wish more people saw that there are many paths to a better world and we&#039;re all developing our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really feel for you in this situation. I am sorry you experienced that, and I can only imagine the worst part was feeling so blindsided when you expected a warm reception of like-minded folks. </p>
<p>I spent years as a vegan, for a multitude of reasons and I am still a strict vegetarian, but I decided ultimately that it was more healthy and more ethical to eat proteins from well-cared-for animals (eggs, milk, cheese) than to participate exclusively in the mass production &amp; carbon footprint of highly-processed vegan food. I know that vegans likely didn&#8217;t read it, but Barbara Kingsolver makes the point in <i>Animal, Vegetable, Miracle</i> that even tofu costs animal lives (insects murdered by machine harvest, for example). </p>
<p>Anyway, I am sorry you had an upsetting experience. I wish more people saw that there are many paths to a better world and we&#8217;re all developing our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Curbstone Valley Farm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curbstone Valley Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 16:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so sorry, I applaud what you tried to do, but I agree, you were royally set up.  Our chickens are not &#039;slaves&#039; any more than yours are.  I have little tolerance for anyone with views that are so myopic, so uneducated, and so misinformed, especially when they attack others with no basis in fact.  There is only grey, no black and white.  Good thing I wasn&#039;t there.  Yes there are numerous atrocities THROUGHOUT the food production industry.  Being a self-righteous vegan isn&#039;t the answer, and doesn&#039;t actually solve any of the problems.  To be fair, maybe they should equally attack the corn and soy producers too?  Let&#039;s be honest, there are atrocities in vegan food production too.  Maybe some of these vegans just choose not to see those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so sorry, I applaud what you tried to do, but I agree, you were royally set up.  Our chickens are not &#8216;slaves&#8217; any more than yours are.  I have little tolerance for anyone with views that are so myopic, so uneducated, and so misinformed, especially when they attack others with no basis in fact.  There is only grey, no black and white.  Good thing I wasn&#8217;t there.  Yes there are numerous atrocities THROUGHOUT the food production industry.  Being a self-righteous vegan isn&#8217;t the answer, and doesn&#8217;t actually solve any of the problems.  To be fair, maybe they should equally attack the corn and soy producers too?  Let&#8217;s be honest, there are atrocities in vegan food production too.  Maybe some of these vegans just choose not to see those.</p>
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		<title>By: Town Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Town Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 02:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always find it puzzling when people have such great compassion toward chicken, and none at all toward people. Too bad this was such a bad experience for you, but I still believe just your presence there made a difference and made people think about raising chickens humanely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always find it puzzling when people have such great compassion toward chicken, and none at all toward people. Too bad this was such a bad experience for you, but I still believe just your presence there made a difference and made people think about raising chickens humanely.</p>
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